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Postby Melkoroth » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:10 pm

So i posted this to Nightwish forum but i thought that i should post this here too because some of you may be like Nightwish too and this is also MDB related. So im going to just copy what i wrote there :

I was listening to the Islander recently i think i found a connection to a song by My Dying Bride.

The title song from My Dying Bride album The Light at the End of the World seems storywise similar to Islander, Islander seems to be like a continuation of a story from The Light at the End of the World. Tuomas is a fan of My Dying Bride, as he said : "My Dying Bride have had a massive impact on me, particularly in my lyric writing. I think Aaron Stanthorpe is one of the best lyricists in the whole world, when I was at high school, there was this girl, and she didn't know anything about me until I went to her and gave her the lyrics to this song and told her 'This is how I feel about you' after that we were together for a couple of years!"

Maybe the song has nothing to do with My Dying Bride but i wonder what do you guys think.I know the music was written by Marco but i dont know about who wrote the lyrics. Here are the lyrics to the songs

The Islander


An old man by a seashore at the end of day
Gazes the horizon with seawinds in his face
Tempest-tossed island, seasons all the same
Anchorage unpainted and a ship without a name

Sea without a shore for the banished one unheard
He lightens the beacon, light at the end of world
Showing the way, lighting hope in their hearts
The ones on their travels homeward from afar


This is for long-forgotten light at the end of the world
Horizon's crying the tears he left behind long ago

The albatross is flying, making him daydream
The time before he became - one of the world's unseen
Princess in the tower, children in the fields
Life gave him it all: an island of the universe

Now his love`s a memory, a ghost in the fog
He sets the sails one last time saying farewell to the world
Anchor to the water, seabed far below
Grass still in his feet and a smile beneath his brow




The Light at the End of the World


Small a speck in the wide blue sea.
'Tis the last of all the land.
A dweller upon our lonesome isle, the last lonely man

On weary nights under stars
he'd ofter lay and gaze.
Up towards the moon and stars,
The sun's dying haze.

Time and again Orion's light
filled our man with joy.
Within the belt he'd see his love
remembering her voice.

Such is life upon the isle
of torment and woe.
One day good, one day bad,
And some days even hope.

The light at the end of the world
burns bright for mile and mile
Yet tends the man its golden glow
in misery all the while.

For fifty years he stands and waits atop the light alone.
Looking down upon his isle the Gods have made his home

A deity felt sympathy
and threw our man a light
- 'Your woman you may see
again for a single night'.

- 'I'll tend the light for one more night
with the woman whom I love',
screamed the man with tearful eyes
to the deity above.

And so it was that very night
his lover did return.
To his arms and to their bed
together they did turn.

In deepest love and lust for life
entwined they did fall.
Lost within each other's arms they danced

Her hair, long and black,
The dark beauty of her eyes.
Olive skin and warm embrace,
her memory never dies.

Agony, like none before,
was suffered by our man.

Anger raged and misery too
like nothing ever before.

His sacrifice was not so great,
he insists upon the world.
Again he would crime, again he would pay,
for one moment with the girl

Long was the night filled with love.
For them the world was done.
Awoke he did to brightest light,
his woman and life had gone.

To his feet he leapt, to the sea he looked.
To the lighthouse on the stone.
The price is paid and from now on
he lives forever alone.

Fifty years have passed since then
and not a soul has he seen.
but his woman lives with him still
in every single dream.

Tis sad to hear how young love has died
to know that alone someone has cried.
but memories are ours to keep.
To live them again, in our sleep.
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Postby DarkFlyer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:39 pm

Lyrics of Islander may have been influenced by The Light at The End of The World, there are similar elements in the lyrics. However Aaron Stainthorpe's lyrics is deeper, more meaningful, darker and has more emotion. :worship:
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Postby DarkLink » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:56 pm

Hello Melkoroth,

And welcome on the forum ! It's always great to have visitors and fans from other forum sharing their thoughts and finding parrallels between two different artistic works. I am myself a huge fan of Nightwish, a band that I used to listen a lot until Tarja was kicked out. I rediscovered most recently the discography and have to say that Tuomas is a great composer and a wonderful writter (look at Swanheart or Stargazer for instance). I find Floor a great singer as well, even if my heart will always love more the Soprano addition of Tarja. That being said and to come back to your initial question, I don't really enjoy the Islander, a song related with the Ozon area (which was for me the worst mistake this band has ever made) but their are definitely lyrical similarities between the two texts. I won't enter the game of who's got the bigger one, as for me, emotions are personal feelings, therefor different from one to another individuals. From a pure lexical perspective, I would tend to agree that TLATEOTW is somehow richer than The Islander though.

It's cool that Tuomas is a fan of MDB, I didn't know that ! Do you think he would like to pay tribute to one of MDB song at some point ? That would certainly be interesting :)

What do you think of the similar themes and vocabulary developed in both Swanheart and Love's Intolerable Pain ?

Swanheart

All those beautiful people
I want to have them all
All those porcelain models
If only I could make them fall
Be my heart a well of love
Flowing free so far above
A wintry eve
Once upon a tale
An Ugly Duckling
Lost in a verse
Of a sparrows carol
Dreaming the stars
Be my heart a well of love
Flowing free so far above
In my world
Love is for poets
Never the famous balcony scene
Just a dying faith
On the heaven's gate
Crystal pond awaits the lorn
Tonight another morn for the lonely one is born

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Love's Intolerable Pain

Denial of our shadow side
Will often cause it to rise up
Against us
That ho does not need to die
Allows his mind to soar
To fly
What if love's intolerable pain
Never leaves?
What will your life's mark
Leave upon this world?
What now, will my dark craft
Do with your body now?
We walk as Gods together
Through a fiery dawn.
What if you love someone you
Know you shouldn't love?
What will your dying father's
Last words to you be?
What now, the painting of
Young lovers is complete?
What if love's intolerable pain
Never leaves us?
Do we dash our bleeding
Hearts on the rocks of
Loneliness?
And cry unto the lords above
Who turn away in haste?
From the heart
Heart of snow
Comes the ice
It's crushing blow
From the soul
Whose love is sound
Comes the cold
It's frozen ground
Whispering my given name.
Unfurls the fingers of flame.
Nameless sons and daughters of sin.
Step forward when you hear the bells ring.
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Postby Melkoroth » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:56 pm

Thanks for the welcome, i knew this forum for a long time but i was more of a lurker, i made an account 8 months ago when i still havent heard half of MDB albums, now i love every single thing they relased. (:

I can see the similar theme of Love's Intolerable Pain and Swanhearth but not that much (im not really good at interpreting "poetic" songs, i often have to look up online what people think of the song to make a picture) , to me both songs seem to be about a dreamer talking about hardly reachable love.

As for Nightwish, i like all of their albums as long as Tuomas is writing it, but yeah most of their iconic songs were made in the Tarja era. I dont really think that NW would cover MDB songs, both bands make dark and poetic songs but the NW is far more "energetic" and upbeat, i dont think NW covering MDB songs would work to be honest but who knows ?
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Postby DarkLink » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:14 pm

They made a cover of Pink Floyd so that wouldnt surprise me if they would do ' Black God' for instance.
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Postby Fleshless_Wreckage » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:38 pm

I remember reading a Nightwish interview that was written in Finnish and it was about the album Imaginaerum. As a huge MDB-fan I noticed that at some point Tuomas said something like "I'm a huge MDB fan and on the album there is a tribute to that band."

I don't know what that tribute is but my good guess would be the name of the one song "Turn Loose The Mermaids" as it is very similar to TLTS.

Anyway, nice point of view about the lyrical similarities of TLATEOTW and Islander.
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Postby Melkoroth » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:49 am

I may be getting too deep now but after inspecting the Turn Loose the Mermaids lyrics i can see a conncetion between Light at the End of the World. Maybe Tuomas likes that song very much ? :D Or maybe im thinking too much.

"Oh, how beautiful it used to be
Just you and me far beyond the sea
The waters, scarce in motion
Quivering still

At the end of the river the sundown beams
All the relics of a life long lived
Here, weary traveller rest your wand
Sleep the journey from your eyes"

I dont know but to me the whole song seems to be a reflection of the Light at the End of the World story.
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