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Postby amerj » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:11 am

I tried searching this Forum for info, no results hence my post :-)

Does anyone know the background of this song ?
Is she actually William Blake's wife?
Who are "Die Erorians" ?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, my forum status is newbie .. but I've been a fan since '99 !!

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Postby Blizzard beast » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:22 am

I don't know if you have the sinamorata live dvd but the 'complete' story is included in there. It's basically a story about the balance between heaven and hell which needs to be restored...if I recall correctly...
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Postby MySanityDoesFly » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:45 pm

I read in an interview with Aaron that the name is not related to William Blake, and he didn't realise the connection until after he'd written the lyric.
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Postby ratatoeskr » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:27 pm

well if it about the relation between heaven and hell, and then the name Catherine Blake which was the name of Blakes Wife, I guess there is a connection to Willie.. also, the poem has a structure similar to that of thesis and antithesis which can be seen in Blakes "Songs of innocence and of experience"
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Postby MySanityDoesFly » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:46 pm

Yes, there are a lot elements on the album which remind me of Blake's work, but according to Aaron the song title is mere coincidence.
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Postby ratatoeskr » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:51 pm

Sleep! Sleep! Beauty Bright

Sleep! sleep! beauty bright,
Dreaming o'er the joys of night;
Sleep! sleep! in thy sleep
Little sorrows sit and weep.

Sweet Babe, in thy face
Soft desires I can trace,
Secret joys and secret smiles,
Little pretty infant wiles.

As thy softest limbs I feel,
Smiles as of the morning steal
O'er thy cheek, and o'er thy breast
Where thy little heart does rest.

O! the cunning wiles that creep
In thy little heart asleep.
When thy little heart does wake
Then the dreadful lightnings break,

From thy cheek and from thy eye,
O'er the youthful harvests nigh.
Infant wiles and infant smiles
Heaven and Earth of peace beguiles.

- William Blake
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Postby MySanityDoesFly » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:57 pm

It's at times like this when we need a 'worship' smilie.
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Postby ratatoeskr » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:28 pm

true! I adore Blakes earlier poetry... the later stuff is very cryptic and almost inaccessible for a non-native-speaker, probably even for a native speaker. Though it sure pays off to think about the "Prophecies"

The 'songs' are awesome! My favourites are the Chimney Sweeper poems and The Sick Rose - so few words and so much said.



The Sick Rose

O rose thou art sick,
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy :
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
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Postby MySanityDoesFly » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:31 pm

I agree entirely.
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Postby DarkLink » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:20 am

ratatoeskr wrote:true! I adore Blakes earlier poetry... the later stuff is very cryptic and almost inaccessible for a non-native-speaker, probably even for a native speaker.


I understand what you meana about the diffulty of reading poetry, as I am a non-native speaker. But I promise you that it is a real joy just trying to understand the background and all the images employed through metaphores and other stylistic effects.
I even prefer that because you put yourself in a position of real concentration. As you are trying to grasp all the degrees of imagery, you become so fully aware of the world which is just created.
Good exercize to do.
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Postby ratatoeskr » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:26 am

yes, that's true. I did read some of the later works, Milton for example. All at University and we discussed it in class and had some surprisingly obvious interpretations after a while which offered some new perspectives on things. I have to check the texts again, some were really interesting

But I would say that many symbols can only be understood by proper secondary literature.. you'd never know, e.g. what the figure Urizen includes and stands for without that help and it is very confusing to look up two or three words in each aphorism or verse ;)
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Postby silent_pain » Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:07 am

Blizzard beast wrote:I don't know if you have the sinamorata live dvd but the 'complete' story is included in there. It's basically a story about the balance between heaven and hell which needs to be restored...if I recall correctly...

Really? I have this DVD, but cannot find any content on it other than music videos (including ones made by fans), live video cuts, a picture gallery and the full concert. That is all. I do remember reading on the news page before the DVD was released there would be extra features and things on it but none that I can find unless there is an easter egg I am un-aware of.

I did get the DVD when it was first released though. Did they just simply forget to add this stuff and re-release it later with it?
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Postby Hamish » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:41 pm

The story is in the booklet in the dvd.

Die-Erorian (The Arrogant Tormentor of Flesh and Depravator of Wishes) and Catherine Blake are characters in the story.

As an aside, William Blake's wife, mother AND sister were ALL called Catherine, but none were visited by an Incubus of vast degradation (and suitor to the Throne of Lust in the lower regions of Middle Hell).

Well, as far as we know anyway...
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Postby amerj » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:28 pm

hello Hamish and thanks for the reply .. looks like I need to add this DVD to my MDB collection :-)
BTW, I am most impressed that the band itself views / responds to this forum.
Best band, best forum .....
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Postby silent_pain » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:45 pm

Hamish wrote:The story is in the booklet in the dvd.

Oh ok, thanks. After all these years I'd never read the booklet :oops:
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